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Warning I purchased 1300.00 cloaking program from Michel. name Michel Bakker

He sold me his cloaking system ..
As in how to create a online money making business using cloaking...

It was a cloaking partnership...

He built me 3 example site really 4 one I paid 500.00 just for the site it was different offer ..

The 500 was built in Nov 2007 and to date gets 9 visitors ..Crap right..

The program I paid 1300.00
To date I have nothing for my money never got any documention ....

Here's the 3 example sites he cloaked ...
1)cosmetics-dentists(dot)com (this one does even have any cgi-bin to it ??
2)buying-cars(dot)net
3)bodybuildingfitness(dot)com
I have only changed their redirects ...

The 4th one here it's 2 month old ? Michel says it getting hit .Think if he really was a expert he'd know hits mean nothing ...


Well paypal believe him even know I repeatly told them I was not buying websites !!!
They called it electronic service?
That Michel Bakker's weapon to steal form people ....

So I loose $1300.00 for nothing everyone is open to view the sites and cloaking crap he did ...

Paypal does sucks and sounds like Michel is another Con man Jim people mentioned in here...

So the thread subject maybe should have been named Con Man Michel ???

Thanks for the info

Well thanks for the reply ..

I am very very depressed at the loss of this money...

Just so sad the way people are like Michel ...

I posted in the black hat forum about him ...

You are the sad and scamming man here Dan.

Cloak and Dagger, nice reply if you don't even know the whole story.

I will only say one thing.
He started screaming and whining after I told him to get EWI, nothing more nothing less.
I didn't even tell him how he could use that, he wouldn't listen anymore. He thought I would say to use EWI as it is (I guess) but that is not the case.

So Dan instead of complaining everywhere about something you don't even know (because you can't even listen), perhaps you should have let me finish, but NO you went crazy after the word EWI.............

Look at all his posts here on this forum and you will know what I mean.

I say it here like I did on another forum, you are a strange man, perhaps you have to look into the mirror some time.

a few weeks before I made your site you posted this on a forum:

superman
Cloaking done easy

Found this software that makes cloaking (SEC) so easy a 4 year old can do it successfully
http://www.sectutorial.com/index.php?ref=superman


So please explain why you promoted this and now go crazy when you even hear the name.....

Strange, very strange

Michel first you admit http://www.sectutorial.com/ is what you use to build sites...
There's a liar right off you claim you have a secret cloak script and were a expert .Using this tool is not a expert ..

Second you charged me 500.00 + 1300.00... and you use software I could use myself ... That's a scam there..

Strange you banned me from BH forum because I posted in here ? Sadly you are free to keep scamming people in BH ...

Next you scammed me with your cloaking partnership that you DID NOTHING ..

So you seem perfectly happy taking my 1300.00
and doing nothing ...


Hmmm folks ask yourself if you paid 1300.00 and 500.00 and all you got was http://www.sectutorial.com/ created site would you not call that a scam..

Everyone here is free to look at the websites.. Example sites that you were to get traffic too and it's easy to see you are a Lair and A Con Man and no traffic was generated !!!

Dan i know you and that guy is not telling the truth. If I has lost $1800, I would be upset too.

Michael, give him his money back.

aah Jason,

Dan's little friend.

The same person that scammed people with Adsense Revenue Pro?

Yeah that will help you Dan.....inviting a real scammer to post on behalf of you.
Nice friends! Oh I forgot you are in business with him! LMAO

Here is a post about your program (Dan and Jason). Don't believe me?
Just Google Adsense revenue pro


Here is the post:
Just to let the Good ppl Black hat world know... Adsense revenue pro are Fraudsters !

I purchased a copy of Adsense Revenue pro with a Years License, After 1 Month The software has stopped working and they have refussed to
1). Give me a Refund or 2). Continue my license for the rest of the term. This to me is FRAUD..

So Text link populairty, and Adsense Revenue pro.. OWE me $99 or a working copy of Adsense pro! I also know of 4 other people who have had bad Experiences with them.. and they Even changed there Terms and conditions a week later so they refused to give Refunds !! - how low is that ?

Thats Jason and Dan

Phillips, Dan
Text Link Popularity
xxxxxxx, xxxxxxx, US
Phone: 1-31x-xxxxxx

I even xxx your address and phone number.

So now I let everyone decide who is the scammer here. You can also see Dan promoting his "program" here: http://cloakingforums.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/8886009592/m/2471071562

That was my last post on this subject.
Always funny when a REAL scammer calls someone else a scammer.

You are banned btw for posting your lies everywhere.

Did some research and here is one last (yes final) post.

Just to let the Good ppl Of half again know... Adsense revenue pro are Fraudsters !

I purchased a copy of Adsense Revenue pro with a Years License, After 1 Month The software has stopped working and they have refussed to
1). Give me a Refund or 2). Continue my license for the rest of the term. This to me is FRAUD..

So Adsense Revenue pro and ( textlinkpopularity - who they also own ) .. OWE me $99 or a working copy of Adsense pro! I also know of 4 other people who have had bad Experiences with them.. and they Even changed there Terms and conditions a week later so they refused to give Refunds !! - how low is that ?

Thats Jason and Dan aka .. superman on these forums !!

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Despite what the will try and convince you of, I payed them they didnt deliver !. Fraudsters !

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#2 03-01-2007, 09:15 PM
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Well.. guys.. i don't want to interfere in this "little war".

I don't know who's right and who's wrong and is not really my business..

I have removed though that contact information as could been considered private and maybe infriging.
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#3 03-01-2007, 11:31 PM
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Thank you Omar ...

It clearly has nothing to do with you and this forum.


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So 2 things from me.

One: Notice how Dan (Superman) has been banned on HalfAgain Forums too. Looks like a pattern......... scamming and spamming.

Two:
See his post on that forum.
"Thank you Omar ...
It clearly has nothing to do with you and this forum."

So Dan if you say that yourself why are you doing it now? Seems you do your shit on any forum, get banned because you lie and spam and you comment that these kind of posts don't belong on other forums.......Again strange and sad.

I'm really done with you...Grow up!

My only question reading both sides of this... What did he get for $1800????

$1,800

For $1,800 I could have guaranteed you 36,000 targeted visitors searching for what you are selling.

It's called pay per click at .05 a visitor.

Ralph.... YOU ARE A GENIUS!!!! Sign Me UP!

Well Michel ARP was software everyone got what we sold ... Wow! Michel so 1800.00 stolen by you isn't scamming but you claim 4 poeple were scammed of 99.00 ..
Funny you never mention this to me before Hmmm.

Ok I will refund those 4 when you refund my 1800.00 ok ....

But We refunded who ever asked until we added a no refund policy ...

Again Michel I got not a thing for 1800.00
and you won't refund .....

So everyone Michel will build you sec tutorial site for around 500.00 a sites ...

OK sec tutorial is not a bad software but it's only 25.00 a month and Michel is no a expert cloaker,expert scammer yes!!!


I was banned on other forum for spamming not scamming except BH forum you feared the truth and banned me ...

I ask everyone who would paid 1800.00 for the sites he built ??? Since that all he lies and said I paid for....

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webgrafix

That says it all webgrafix ....

Seem he got nothing but 4 website cloaked with sec tutorial ....
And Dan let me look at the manage side of these sites Damn NOT worth 1800.00 ...
He said anyone could ....

Also the one site had nothing on sec on it so clearing not even been cloaked ....

I must first say I usually don't get involved in "flaming" discussions, because in the end I usually get burned.... even when it has nothing to do with me.

But... this "thread" is very interesting.

Couple of things to consider when looking at it as a third party...

-Dan got a "product" that he paid for. So something was delivered. Whether is was "worth" $1800 or not.

-Now, if he was not happy with 'said' product (4 SEC installs made w/EWI) is he entitled to a "full" refund, or partial, seeing how Michel did perform the work.

-Did Michel deliver what he advertised?

-Did Dan "sign" any contract stating there is a no-refund policy?

-Was there a policy on regarding refunds on any document (paper, contract, website)?

-If we were to assume that Dan "does not" own Search Engine Cloaker (lets say he never purchased it), and Michel goes ahead an installs these installs on Dans server... or let say Michel is doing this service for other "clients" that don't currently own an SEC license (for core product or addons- because you need these for EWI to word)... DID HE VIOLATE ANY TERMS OF SERVICE WITH SEC... even UNLIMITED INSTALLS is for YOUR OWN USE!

Michel CANNOT be giving SEC installs to 3rd parties... unless Peter is making a buck off these installs.

-Did Michel violate any licensing agreements with Andrew and EWI... again I AM NOT a lawyer... just playing devils advocate. I purchase EWI for $25 bucks s month for my own use, and turn around and sell the installs for $500 a piece... that is GREAT marketing! And I commend you for that... but was there a Terms Of Service violation there???

You have to look at it from Andrews perspective... for every person you install EWI for, is one less customer that is going to pay Andrew $25 per month.

There are Terms Of Service with almost every piece of software, and many of them stipulate "personal" use, and you have to buy a bigger an better enterprise license to use them otherwise, especially to make a profit. You have to be careful... your stuff (software) can get shut down, or you can get sued. You also expose your clients (the people you are doing to work for) to various liabilities.

To many of us jump into these sort of things without thinking it all the way through.

Then you get into a shouting match on a forum (or in this case multiple forums) and in the end, both were wrong.

I know superman's as a really fairy guy,i knowhim very well and sure that he would not lie

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webgrafix

Ok Michel advertised a cloaking partership program. Here he would show a complete program on how to make 20,000 a month using his secret cloaking and traffic program.

I got nothing but a few Example websites built .Then I found out he was only using sec tutorial...

I did Not pay him to build sites !!!
I have been sec cloaking for 4 years ,so I don't need anyone to install sec.But I am always looking for more information on cloaking expert.(that Michel is a liar about He is no expert)

Webgrafix Yes then Michel is illegally using sec tutorial, I never thought of that ...


This post and other post are to Alert/Warn others (all) to Michel scam...

Ask yourself if he is really honest why did he ban me in BH forum .What did he have to fear from my post ??

quote:

Ask yourself if he is really honest why did he ban me in BH forum

Very Good Point the Guy is a real Ass....


I don't visit that forum and gald I don't seem they let anyone be a mod even as you say,someone who scams people...

quote:

I'm really done with you...Grow up!

See how michel say that but what about the guys $1800.00 ????

Well thanks for those who support me it doesn't bring back the lost by thanks anyway...

This forum is very open to allow free exchange of conversation.

But if you visit www.blackhatworld.com realize mods like Michel run the forum.
So when they scam someone like Michel did, they are also free to delete post and ban those who seek to warn others.

Sorry COD (Chron of Dan),

I have to disagree with you about this being a free and open forum... there are none of those..

If you want to test it start posting the "Peter" scammed you and beat you out of your money and I guarantee you would be shut down immediately.... and I don't blame anyone for doing that... wouldn't matter whether it was the truth or not, if you bad mouth me for any reason on my forum you would have to go...

Now folks I am sure Peter has never knowingly scammed anyone here, but I bet if you started saying he did you would be gone...

Just my two cents....

Sharon the point is it's not Michel's forum he just a mod there.

I was pointing out, when the admin at blackhatworld.com doesn't care
to listen to those who have been scammed by their mods then the forum is corrupted...

ooops wrong thread. delete me please

Here is it, this is very sad and unfortunate case, I know superman as not be a liar and not usually a joker nor exaggerates over something. Just give him the money and call it quits, I don't think this long tiresome process is going to make you look intelligent in the end, just surrender and pay the money so you don't risk your creditability.

Sadly superman was banned for no reason given on the forum where he originally argued his point and case; the administrator must have sand in his vagina. Superman is obviously a cloaking expert and not a dumb one, so I think it was stupid on the scammer's part to try and scam him.

Banning someone at your leisure will add to you being guilty, only the guilty man feels the need to hide, censor, and throw away evidence. This has gone to extreme notice, and I'm happy it did, this is job well done, please give superman is cash back, and maybe people would have any respect for you. Infantile back talking of pointless an argument demeans the person the superman was wrongfully scammed.

Superman has been mislead by the false persona and was tricked into purchasing less than he bargained for, an act known as scamming. I don't think you can be redeemed for such fraudulent acts in a sense, and banning him will not make the situation bearable for any party.

I think superman has went about and shared his experience with forums net wide, preventing members from working alongside with scammers who have no interest but to steal your money. Superman has took this maturely, he is a highly respectable, reputable member of a forum where he was mysteriously removed and relieved of his duties, I don't know who should be responsible, but I'm guessing its you.

Involvement of corruptive cases should also put a risk if any professionalism to your power to alter the outcome of such cases, meaning during your involvement, you should be relived of any duty empowering you to alter and cheat superman any more than already did. I think more than one people of this root will be called as responsible, to prevent web-wide humiliation so to speak, just give all owed funds respectfully to Superman.

The case to fight the refund entitles you to what? Do you really believe you have delivered worth – while value to superman's side? Superman is simply projecting that he have not gotten the promised services required, fighting against that entitles you a scammer, fighting against a refund means you are the scammer, it could have been the other way around, as it seems you think you delivered some value of some sort of superman's behalf.

Give superman his hard earned money. You are abusing your advantages to scam somebody, plain and simple. You are a moderator at a forum where Superman was banned, the forum where superman was mis-leaded by a false persona called Michel. Superman, when you log on to Black Hat World, what message do you see, and did you pay your money to be wrongfully scammed and then banned? SEOSoft, thanks for stepping your valuable input in, together we can redeem the rights of Superman, and maybe he would receive all money stolen from him.

I am acting as a third part devil's advocate, and like some says, yes my experience, BHW is over dictatorship like, and honestly I'm sure that isn't new to Michel.

I just want justice...

dude Amen dude amen ...

Michel made claim, I don't even know how to redirect What ......

Also note I have deleted the sites he built
the cloaked ones got banned ...

My proposal, Nobody in this case should've had an unfair chance of power, banning somebody because you say they are "lying" is really DUMB, if you are involved in a situation how dare you use powers to remove something whiles the other man cannot do that, it proves that you like to cheat people, giving Mr. Dan more spice to his case, really think about it. One administrator with an inch of a brain should've handled this situation like they claimed, but the assholes allowed it to this point, he should have first made it equal (no member can out power the other), then proceed, now superman cannot argue his case because he is banned on a forum, by his opposition, whereas he is seeking help against, does that make any human sense, do you really think the administrator is a sensible human?

If two members are involved in a quarrel, if any higher power is there, he should sort it out, one man cannot give himself the goal, it doesn't work that way. Superman has been unfairly wronged, so I appreciate the fact that he can reconcile his arguments where he cannot be censored by the unaware ignorant administrators who doesn't know where to enforce their duties.

Give superman all allotted funds, or let's start getting some new information pertaining to this case, why won't you give him the money? What proposal did you have after you allegedly asked him for that product? Give us further information; because naturally the case always belongs to the customers, every business man should know that. I am expecting more information to come out of this, or else plainly give superman his money. Like a member suggested up there, we need more information, as far as we all know realistically we wouldn't pay thousands for such services, I am not offending you, just encouraging you to express more of your "plans" for Mr. Dan, as you claim of your services he paid his money for.

What was the motive of fighting the chargeback? Was it you felt situations were not suited to your desires? Was it that you honestly thought he wasn't "getting it", or was it pure human ignorance and disrespect? More information is required, if not the cake goes to superman, because the internet is fed up with scammers, and we all know what a scammer is. If you cannot enlighten us with detailed information as a merchant and suspect of this case, then cased rested, you owe superman his cash.

The banning – more information should be explained as to what you mean when you say he is "lying", do you mean because the case isn't flowing your way, you must call it lies? No, Michel, sometimes you have to accept you're in the wrong, to relieve yourself out of this predicament, explain why you really banned superman, or you really cannot settle a situation without anger and then banning someone? We third party over lookers are reading this, lets not forget that, that means you cannot just call it lies and we must believe, your case must be prepared with valuable details. As far as I'm concerned, Superman is no fool at cloaking, so in all respect, this is something he is committed too, it would be a sad fact if he cannot get his money back.

This post is on Wicked Fire also, you should attempt to guard the truth there.

Wow !! FBI most wanted on this guy Michel the scammer Bakker ...

Excellent post Kingdom_SEO but where did you come from seeing you just signed up here ?

Ok my bad his whole name is Michel de Bakker
So it Michel de Bakker the scammer ...

Thanks all for your support ,I have found another person being scammed my michel ....

quote:

The banning – more information should be explained as to what you mean when you say he is "lying", do you mean because the case isn't flowing your way, you must call it lies? No, Michel, sometimes you have to accept you're in the wrong, to relieve yourself out of this predicament, explain why you really banned superman

I agree with that completely .Also Michel would have gain much much more if he would have just refunded the guy ...